[AJD] 1st Tractor

Sun Dec 12 18:56:41 PST 2004

Dean
Don't rightly know the answer to your note.  I've seen the test results, etc.
I've seen different test results on different type engines.  I've seen the
engineers provide the results they wanted.  And maybe the ground had dried out
some between pulls. It just was interesting and were stirred up a lot of
discussion that day.  And yes, an all fuel will run on #2 diesel if its hot but
as some one mentioned, don't kill it or you'll be draining the carb.  Even if
its hot, my tractor will blow white smoke rings at idle on kero but cleans up at
throttle.  I also hear some detonation at full load.
Merle

Dean VP wrote:

> Merle:
>
> Here is what is confusing. I grabbed the first Operators Manual that was
> handy near my desk. This is in the 60 Manual:
>
> Maximum Belt HP:
> Gasoline - 41.57
> All-Fuel - 33.26
>
> Maximum Drawbar HP
> Gasoline - 36.94
> All-Fuel - 30.99
>
> Now what isn't clear is what the HP is in an All Fuel engine running gas. My
> assumption is that you are saying that the HP will be lower than obtained
> running Distillate if you run gas in an all-fuel engine. Correct?
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> storeroom door
>
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Dean VP
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:30 PM
> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
> Subject: RE: [AJD] 1st Tractor
>
> Merle:
>
> Then there has been a bunch of misinformation published about all fuel
> tractors.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> storeroom door
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Merle W. Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:59 PM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: Re: [AJD] 1st Tractor
>
> Sstop and think about it alittle Dean.  Kero has more btu's per pound.
> Compression ratio has little affect on HP.  If you get good vaporization for
> ignition, the heavier the fuel, the more btu,s available.  One of the
> reasons
> for jet fuel over gasoline.  In the 60's we burned 90/96 avgas in the
> Shooting
> Star A/C because of ignition problems.  When the ignition problem was solved
> we
> switched to JP3 for 5% power increase.
> Merle
>
> Dean VP wrote:
>
> > Merle:
> >
> > Now that is really interesting. It has always been my understanding that
> the
> > all fuel JD's developed less HP when running on Distillate. Is Kerosene
> that
> > much different? Did your pull end due to running out of HP or traction?
> >
> > Now I'm really confused again.  Normal for me I guess!  :-)
> >
> > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > Snohomish, WA 98290
> >
> > I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> > storeroom door
> >
> > www.deerelegacy.com
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> > Merle W. Johnson
> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 6:41 PM
> > To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [AJD] 1st Tractor
> >
> > For the fun of it, I made a 1st pull with an "A" on gasoline, 2nd pull on
> > kerosene.  Pulled 4 foot further on kero.
> > Merle
> >
> > Terry wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > You queried:
> > >
> > > "I wonder how that "B" would do
> > > on 100 octane?"
> > >
> > > If it's an all fuel, It'd probably run better on JP-4!
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert M. Massengale [mailto:ltcmikem at ktc.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:59 AM
> > > To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > Subject: [AJD] 1st Tractor
> > >
> > > Dennis,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the welcome.  The Falcon 2000 is a nice aeroplane.  I
> > > thoroughly enjoyed my almost 30 years of flying for Uncle Sam, but
> > > always wished I had been born a generation earlier... P-51's, B-17's
> > > and all the other birds of that vintage hold me spellbound.  Now that
> > > I've hung up my spurs, I can focus on my other passion... old tools,
> > > old cars and old John Deere tractors.  I wonder how that "B" would do
> > > on 100 octane?
> > >
> > > I think Greg caught Santa at a bad moment... I asked for you too and
> > > got a "maybe".
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > Robert M. Massengale
> > > Fredericksburg, Texas 78624
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:02:23 -0600
> > > > From: "Cotton Family" <dcotton at coosahs.net>
> > > > Subject: RE: [AJD] 1st Tractor
> > > >
> > > > Mike , its good to know there is a fellow pilot on the list.. I drive
> > > > a Falcon 2000 for Netjets... I like going back in time from the glass
> > > > cockpit to the cast iron of my Deere... Dennis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
> > > > Of Frank Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 4:42 PM To: Antique John
> > > > Deere mailing list Subject: Re: [AJD] 1st Tractor
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > serious............you got a bunch of good advice from different
> > > > people.......put the all together and read through them and you will
> > > > have a good idea what things to do. Anyone who can drive a C141B can
> > > > handle it if you are careful........... any questions       you can
> > > > call me too .................just let me know and I will send you my
> > > > number. If you come to Red Lodge with it let me know ....I will come
> > > > look!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > good luck!
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > > gremaux at tein.net
> > > > Central Montana
> > > > http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
> > > Robert M. Massengale, Lt.Col. (Ret), USAF
> > > Order of Daedalians
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