[AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights

Sun Dec 12 17:01:13 PST 2004

Dean,
Ok, I see the AR reference.  But, the pix associated with this listing do
not show any KW lighting equipment - only the starting/lighting/DR generator
stuff.  And the earlier catalogs show only the KW stuff for the AR and AO.
And I agree the DR stuff (or the KW stuff) would be hard to fit on the AOS
being built at the time of the 47R catalog.
Duane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
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Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights

> Duane:
>
> Check out page 47 in Repair Catalog 47-R about the middle of the page:
>
> Starting and Lighting Equipment- AR only
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> storeroom door
>
>
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>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Duane Larson
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:20 PM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: Re: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
>
> Dean,
> Repair Catalog 45R (8/15/36) lists KW lighting outfits for the whole A
> series, including the AR and AO, as well as the B series including the BR
> and BO.  The AOS section of 45R supplement (3/15/38) does not list any
> lighting equipment for it.  The AOS serial numbers start with AO1000, and
> are not included in the 250000-up scheme.
>
> Some AO/BO advertising I have which shows the AOS lists lighting for the
BO
> but not the AO(S).  This would be consistent with 45R and the supplement.
> As you point out, on the AOS(treamlined) it would be hard to find a place
> for lighting.  And all KW lighting systems used 7" flat lens lights, best
as
> I can figure.  I don't see where in 47R that lighting is for the AR and
> excludes the AO, as it is listed under the AR-AO column and there are no
(AR
> ONLY) words like exist for some of the braking systems.
>
> Later date catalogs generally show what would fit, not what was originally
> available.
>
> Regarding your AO, if you have a fan with a friction disk (and not the
> original rubber insert) I think the pulley was a part of it to provide a
> place for the spring which loaded the friction clutch to reside against.
>
> Duane Larson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
> To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
>
>
> > Chris:
> >
> > Whoa, just a moment. Let's make sure that I am quoted correctly. I said
> that
> > the 1936 AO ORIGINALLY did not come out with the 7" flat lens lights
> > (AB1199R) we were discussing. If one looks in Repair Catalog 47-R for
the
> AO
> > dated 1940 these lights are only listed as being for the AR. Now Repair
> > Catalog 57-R for the 1936 AO dated 1943 also lists them as being only
for
> > the AR but along comes PC643 dated 1960 which lists 7" Flat lens lights
> for
> > the 1936 AO serial number range but they are listed as AB3144R, AB3145R
> and
> > AD2150R 7" Flat lens assemblies and shows them as being applicable to
AO's
> > serial numbers (       - 259999) which includes the 1936 AO w/o the
> > restriction to the AR only. Confusing!
> >
> > Now to add to this mystery. The fan shaft on the early AR/AO's did not
> > include a drive pulley for the generator and wasn't added until serial
> > number (264644). This conflicts with the AR info above. However, there
was
> a
> > fan with friction clutch upgrade assembly that could be installed on the
> > AO/AR's from 250000 on up (AA3673R) and I have allowed myself to believe
> > that upgrade kit included the generator pulley. Or the pulley that was
> used
> > on the KW lighting kits was used or ???. It is just too complex for this
> old
> > mans head.
> >
> > To add further confusion, my 1936 AO has a belt pulley for the generator
> but
> > no lights. The fan must have been updated on mine.
> >
> > I do know one wouldn't want to add these lights to a tractor that didn't
> > come from the factory this way. There are a lot of parts changes besides
> > adding the lights, battery and generator. And the real bottom line is an
> AO
> > tractor was intended to be used in orchards and with lights sticking out
> > they wouldn't be there very long.
> >
> >
> > But thanks for bringing this up. Remember I said I didn't know why there
> > were Chrome ringed 7" lights vs black ringed 7" lights. In the process
of
> > looking your info up I discovered why these two light different light
> > assemblies exist. Thanks.
> >
> > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > Snohomish, WA 98290
> >
> > I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> > storeroom door
> >
> >
> > www.deerelegacy.com
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of
> > Chris C
> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:39 AM
> > To: ATIS LIST
> > Subject: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
> >
> > At our local two cylinder club holiday dinner
> > yesterday,  Dean and I had a conversation about 7"
> > lights,  and their use on my 1936 AO (sn 252268)  Dean
> > was of the opinion that my AO never had lighting as an
> > option.
> >
> >    I have PC 674,  and it if fact,  shows a generator,
> >  and light mounts for the serial number range of my
> > AO,  but when we get to lights,  they are listed as AR
> > Only until you get to serial number 259999.  So,  I
> > gues Dean is correct.
> >
> >     I ran into another guy at the show that is into
> > Old D's,  and in the back of his truck he had two
> > generators.
> > One was a prestolite,  and I think the other was a
> > bosch.  He said that they are terribly hard to find,
> > and that the earlier one (prestolite)  would have been
> > for optional lighting equipment on a Waterloo Boy or
> > my 1927 D,  and the later one would have been used on
> > something like an Unstyled A, B etc...
> >
> >     So to my questions,  Lights for the AO?  Yes or
> > No?  and does anyone have any further info on the
> > early lighting equipment?  He said that each of the
> > generators he had were in the $1200 to $2500 price
> > range as they were so hard to come by..  I don't know
> > anything at all about them but it was very
> > interesting.
> >
> >                  Chris
> >
> >     (the other thing that caused me to chuckle at our
> > banquet,  I have had my AO listed for sale for 6
> > months in the club newsletter...  I was no longer
> > listed in the one that came out a few weeks ago.  At
> > least 5 people came up to me wondering if I still had
> > that AR for sale..  )
> >
> >
> >
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