[AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights

Sun Dec 12 18:29:06 PST 2004

Duane/JR:

I'm not sure what you mean by DR lighting but I think we are on the same
page and in the same hymnal. My original statement was that the 7" Flat lens
AB1199R & AB1201R) light fixture wasn't available originally from the
factory on the 1936 AO and I still stand by that. 

Now, I just realized there is a left and right version of these @#$%^&*
lights. I need to find out what the heck that difference is. I need to quit
looking at these Repair Catalogs!  :-) 

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
storeroom door 

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-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
Duane Larson
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:15 PM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: Re: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights

J.R. (and Dean),
That agrees with my earlier statements.  To summarize my thinking, the AR
and AO were both available from the get-go with KW lighting kits (consistent
with J.R.s info and Repair Catalog 45R)  When the AO was replaced with the
AOS in 1937, no KW lighting was available for the AOS (consistent with 45R
supplement).  When the DR lighting systems became available "sometime in
1939 (?)", the AOS was in production (and still had no place for lights with
all the sheet metal) so the lighting systems were only for the AR
(consistent with 47R).  In 1941 when the AOS was discontinued and the "AO
that looked like the AR" replaced it, DR lighting systems were available for
both the AR and AO (consistent with later parts catalogs).
Duane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.R. Hobbs" <jrhobbs2004 at yahoo.com>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights

> Wholesale Price List No.113 from the Moline Branch, dated November 1,
1936, lists the AA642R Electric Lighting Outfit for "AR" and "AO" Tractors
250000-up.  I have seen a factory photo of a VERY early "AO" equipped with
this lighting outfit. The generator was driven from the front of the
fanshaft.
>
> Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:Duane:
>
> Check out page 47 in Repair Catalog 47-R about the middle of the page:
>
> Starting and Lighting Equipment- AR only
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> storeroom door
>
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Duane Larson
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:20 PM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: Re: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
>
> Dean,
> Repair Catalog 45R (8/15/36) lists KW lighting outfits for the whole A
> series, including the AR and AO, as well as the B series including the BR
> and BO. The AOS section of 45R supplement (3/15/38) does not list any
> lighting equipment for it. The AOS serial numbers start with AO1000, and
> are not included in the 250000-up scheme.
>
> Some AO/BO advertising I have which shows the AOS lists lighting for the
BO
> but not the AO(S). This would be consistent with 45R and the supplement.
> As you point out, on the AOS(treamlined) it would be hard to find a place
> for lighting. And all KW lighting systems used 7" flat lens lights, best
as
> I can figure. I don't see where in 47R that lighting is for the AR and
> excludes the AO, as it is listed under the AR-AO column and there are no
(AR
> ONLY) words like exist for some of the braking systems.
>
> Later date catalogs generally show what would fit, not what was originally
> available.
>
> Regarding your AO, if you have a fan with a friction disk (and not the
> original rubber insert) I think the pulley was a part of it to provide a
> place for the spring which loaded the friction clutch to reside against.
>
> Duane Larson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean VP"
> To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
>
>
> > Chris:
> >
> > Whoa, just a moment. Let's make sure that I am quoted correctly. I said
> that
> > the 1936 AO ORIGINALLY did not come out with the 7" flat lens lights
> > (AB1199R) we were discussing. If one looks in Repair Catalog 47-R for
the
> AO
> > dated 1940 these lights are only listed as being for the AR. Now Repair
> > Catalog 57-R for the 1936 AO dated 1943 also lists them as being only
for
> > the AR but along comes PC643 dated 1960 which lists 7" Flat lens lights
> for
> > the 1936 AO serial number range but they are listed as AB3144R, AB3145R
> and
> > AD2150R 7" Flat lens assemblies and shows them as being applicable to
AO's
> > serial numbers ( - 259999) which includes the 1936 AO w/o the
> > restriction to the AR only. Confusing!
> >
> > Now to add to this mystery. The fan shaft on the early AR/AO's did not
> > include a drive pulley for the generator and wasn't added until serial
> > number (264644). This conflicts with the AR info above. However, there
was
> a
> > fan with friction clutch upgrade assembly that could be installed on the
> > AO/AR's from 250000 on up (AA3673R) and I have allowed myself to believe
> > that upgrade kit included the generator pulley. Or the pulley that was
> used
> > on the KW lighting kits was used or ???. It is just too complex for this
> old
> > mans head.
> >
> > To add further confusion, my 1936 AO has a belt pulley for the generator
> but
> > no lights. The fan must have been updated on mine.
> >
> > I do know one wouldn't want to add these lights to a tractor that didn't
> > come from the factory this way. There are a lot of parts changes besides
> > adding the lights, battery and generator. And the real bottom line is an
> AO
> > tractor was intended to be used in orchards and with lights sticking out
> > they wouldn't be there very long.
> >
> >
> > But thanks for bringing this up. Remember I said I didn't know why there
> > were Chrome ringed 7" lights vs black ringed 7" lights. In the process
of
> > looking your info up I discovered why these two light different light
> > assemblies exist. Thanks.
> >
> > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > Snohomish, WA 98290
> >
> > I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> > storeroom door
> >
> >
> > www.deerelegacy.com
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of
> > Chris C
> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:39 AM
> > To: ATIS LIST
> > Subject: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
> >
> > At our local two cylinder club holiday dinner
> > yesterday, Dean and I had a conversation about 7"
> > lights, and their use on my 1936 AO (sn 252268) Dean
> > was of the opinion that my AO never had lighting as an
> > option.
> >
> > I have PC 674, and it if fact, shows a generator,
> > and light mounts for the serial number range of my
> > AO, but when we get to lights, they are listed as AR
> > Only until you get to serial number 259999. So, I
> > gues Dean is correct.
> >
> > I ran into another guy at the show that is into
> > Old D's, and in the back of his truck he had two
> > generators.
> > One was a prestolite, and I think the other was a
> > bosch. He said that they are terribly hard to find,
> > and that the earlier one (prestolite) would have been
> > for optional lighting equipment on a Waterloo Boy or
> > my 1927 D, and the later one would have been used on
> > something like an Unstyled A, B etc...
> >
> > So to my questions, Lights for the AO? Yes or
> > No? and does anyone have any further info on the
> > early lighting equipment? He said that each of the
> > generators he had were in the $1200 to $2500 price
> > range as they were so hard to come by.. I don't know
> > anything at all about them but it was very
> > interesting.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > (the other thing that caused me to chuckle at our
> > banquet, I have had my AO listed for sale for 6
> > months in the club newsletter... I was no longer
> > listed in the one that came out a few weeks ago. At
> > least 5 people came up to me wondering if I still had
> > that AR for sale.. )
> >
> >
> >
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