[AT] Allis Chalmers wheel disk

Mon Aug 16 12:33:20 PDT 2004

Hi Rob,  Allis made the 200 series wheel disk in sizes from 8 feet to 15
feet acording to Swinford.  He also says the 21 1/2 foot model 213 was made
for the WD 45.  A friend of mine had one that was (I thought) 9 1/2 feet.  I
could have been smaller.  He pulled it with a CA and he told me his father
bought it with the CA.  I can't confirm that is correct.   Those disks were
fairly light weight and didn't cut deep.  My friend was running it in light
sandy soil and used it as a finish harrow.

The Swinford book mentions the 8 foot lift type harrow you mention as being
made for the CA.  To be honest it is amazing to me that a CA would handle
it.  I know for a fact that my dad's D-10 had a handful with a Ford-Mac 5
foot pick up disk.  However we didn't have any front end weights on the
D-10.  Having power to pull it was never a problem but picking it up and
wheel slip (in real sandy land) were.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Wilson" <rowilson at infinet.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers wheel disk

> Charlie,
>  I don't believe the CA's had wheel discs. The one my buddy has on his
> is about 8' wide and it is a pick up type disc. The front gets a bit on
> the light side but it handles it really well with the side engine weights.
> Rob
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers wheel disk
>
>
> > Al,  a CA didn't have that much power.  If it is the disc for a CA the
> > blades are on the small end of disc blade diameters ( I don't remember
the
> > size right now) and the frame of the disc was made so that some chains
> > (probably long ago removed from the one you saw) connected to the lift
> arms
> > of the tractor.  That way the draft control (traction booster) could
> > transfer weight from the disc frame to the rear wheels of the tractor.
> That
> > along with the tamdem wheels supporting the disc frame allowed the
little
> CA
> > to handle it.
> > I think the CA had about 30 hp +/- a couple.
> >
> > If you decide you don't want that one please let me know where it is.
I'd
> > like to have it to pull with my D-14.
> >
> > It could be that it is a later model, heavier disc than the CA or my
D-14
> > would pull.  Hard to tell without  seeing it.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Al Jones" <aljones at ncfreedom.net>
> > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AT] Allis Chalmers wheel disk
> >
> >
> > > Wow, Charlie I didn't realize a CA had that much HP, I was thinking it
> > > was just a tricycle-front B.  Anyway I will try to stop this week and
> > > take a closer look.  I have been sorta holding out for an IH disk or a
> > > nice King, but no luck so far.  Then again with all the other stuff on
> > > the horizon, I don't need to be buying any more old iron anyway! :)
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie
hill
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:05 AM
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers wheel disk
> > >
> > > Al if it is about 8-10 feet wide it was one designed for a CA Allis. I
> > > think
> > > it would be 9 1/2 feet wide.  It is designed to work with the
'traction
> > > booster" system (draft control) on the Allis tractors.   That doesn't
> > > mean
> > > it wouldn't work behind your 450.  It probably would.
> > >
> > > The 12 foot one in the picture was built for a WD-45 to pull.
> > >
> > > If you decide you don't want it let me know I might be interested in
it
> > > myself.
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Al Jones" <aljones at ncfreedom.net>
> > > To: "Antique-Tractor" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:52 PM
> > > Subject: [AT] Allis Chalmers wheel disk
> > >
> > >
> > > > Anyone know anything about AC's wheel disks? The local MF dealer has
> > > had
> > > > one on the yard for quite a while, it looks like it might be a nice
> > > > match for my 450 even though it's not red.  Haven't had any luck
> > > finding
> > > > an IH #37.  The disk looks to be about 8-10 wide.  I found a 12
footer
> > > > on the YT photo ad's that looks similar in construction:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_d
> > > > isplay_db_button=on
> > > >
> > >
<http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_
> > > > display_db_button=on&db_id=76952&query=retrieval>
> > > > &db_id=76952&query=retrieval
> > > >
> > > > Can you still get parts for these?  I have no idea of the model but
> > > the
> > > > gang parts (bearings, hangers, etc.) remind me of the mounted AC
disk
> > > my
> > > > great-uncle has for his WD-45.  I have been thinking if it's not an
> > > > "orphan" I might stop in sometime and inquire.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Al
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