[AT] OT: Thank you Farmer

Fri Aug 13 05:17:03 PDT 2004

Hi Larry,  I've scratched my head over the bonding bar/white wire thing
myself.  Makes no sense to me at all.

Charlie
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From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
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Subject: RE: [AT] OT: Thank you Farmer

> I have given up trying to "do it right the first time" when it comes to
> wiring.  When I built my shop a couple of years ago, I had the
> distribution  wiring done by a colleague who is licensed in another
> state and then did the service to the shop myself.  When the inspector
> came out to look it over, the first question he asked was whether or not
> there was another ground on the secondary box.  I told him no, it was
> grounded back at the main service entry for the house.  He said that was
> good, a second ground at the distance involved (around 100 feet) could
> cause problems.  But I did have to add a bonding bar so that the grounds
> (bare wires) all went to a different location than the returns (white
> wires) in the box.  Never mind that there was a common ground from that
> point.  Don't ask me to explain it.  I just made the "recommended"
> changes so I could get on with the construction.
>
> Larry
>
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Fallon
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:03 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Thank you Farmer
>
> When my garage was built 11 years ago we had to have a bare copper
> ground
> lead from the panel going to 2 separate rods at least 6 feet apart it
> was a
> continuous wire through the lug on the first rod and then to the second
> rod.
> I also have solid wire from the panel soldered to the copper water lines
> both hot and cold which are copper all the way into the ground.
>
> Bruce Fallon
> Freeland WA. 98249
> bfallon at whidbey.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Thank you Farmer
>
>
> Karl,  Farmers check the ground advice is always a good!  Glad you found
> your problem.  I am curious about the new code requiring 2 grounds.  I'm
> not
> arguing it because I don't know that much about electrical matters but I
> wish someone on the list would explain the logic of that if they know
> it.
>
> I have always been lead to believe that everything needed to go to a
> common
> ground to prevent a situation where you have 2 different ground
> potentials.
> It seems to me that 2 grounds 6 feet apart would be dangerous under the
> right conditions.  If some one understands this please explain.   I
> might
> need to hook a modem to my tractor some day.  grins.
>
> Charlie Hill
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> Subject: [AT] OT: Thank you Farmer
>
>
> > Farmer, thank you for all your help while I was troubleshooting a
> phone
> > problem in the house yesterday. Perhaps you are a little confused
> since
> this is the
> > first you've heard of any of this.
> >
> > Well, it all started when I tried to get online to check my ATIS mail.
> For
> > some reason the 'puter had no dial tone. After a brief investigation I
> found
> > that the kitchen and upstairs phone had an open line and no dial tone
> but
> the
> > living room phone worked fine. But, if I had one of the "dead" phones
> off
> the
> > hook and picked up the living room phone then both phones would work.
> Well, I
> > checked all the wires in the basement, reseated all the connections at
> the
> > network interface, and still hadn't fixed the problem. I managed to
> get
> online and
> > was chatting with fellow ATIS member Mike Maynard who jokingly
> reminded me
> of
> > Farmer's mantra "check the grounds."
> >
> > Knowing good advice when I hear it, I ran outside and inspected the
> telephone
> > ground connection...boy, what a disaster! The telephone ground was
> attached
> > to the aluminum ground from the meter box to the ground post and the
> connection
> > was VERY corroded. Further investigation revealed the aluminum ground
> wire
> > was completely corroded through where it came in contact with the
> earth. I
> > trimmed back the aluminum wire, cleaned all the connections and
> reattached
> > everything. I also called an electrician friend to come and replace
> the
> FOOLISH
> > aluminum ground wire from the meter box. Interestingly, I will now
> need 2
> separate
> > grounds at least 6' apart to meet the new code.
> >
> > After all of this my phone problem still persisted. A call to the
> phone
> > company revealed that there is a problem somewhere in the line between
> my
> house and
> > the local office. I'm still amazed that they can diagnose a line
> problem
> from
> > their computer. Thankfully everything was repaired today.
> >
> > So, a big thank you to Farmer..if it weren't for your consistent
> advice I
> > never would have found the potentially dangerous condition of my house
> ground.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Karl
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