[AT] another new shop

charlie hill chill8 at cox.net
Fri Aug 13 05:06:02 PDT 2004


Hi Frank,  I have sent a few loads back for not enough air but never sent
one back for too much air.  That is a little strange but as you said the
customer is right (or I suspect the engineering tech is right) your customer
wouldn't have known the difference most likely.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank" <gremaux at tein.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] another new shop


> my turn Walt....
> first if you took the forms off while the truck was still there.....how
did
> you pick up the mess......cause it would not stand upright that soon
> ....next morning yes but not while the truck was still there.
> Agreed that cured in the air is best
>
> 1 inch slump is too much according to state testing labs here......but
most
> everything is done at 2 inch.....1 inch would not come out of the truck.
> guess what .....a hot load came back today because it was not
> accepted.......used it up in the yard.
>
> also one came back that had too much air in it......and no one said a
> word....we don't scream....you are the customer!!.
> hasn't happened in a long time as we mostly have the best!
>
> Cement in this part of the country will crack....eventually.....freeze
> factors
>
>
>
> Frank
> gremaux at tein.net
> Central Montana
> www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] another new shop
>
>
> > I had a wonderful old book on concrete and  mortar I gave it to a friend
a
> > few years back. It was made by the old timers who  new how to pour good
> concrete
> > without any trouble. One thing that it said was to  make sure that the
> > concrete was not to wet or it would crack.  You are  supposed to do a
> slump test
> > when the load arrives. Take a pillar mold 12 X 12 X  12 with an 8 X 8
top.
> Pour
> > the cement into it then immediately remove the mold  the concrete should
> only
> > slump about 1 in. If its like most of the loads we get  now it will run
> all
> > over the place. I used to work with my uncle back in the 50s  building
> houses we
> > would pour the whole foundation and while the last truck was  cleaning
up
> we
> > started to tear down the wood forms. I have been in some of the  garages
> that
> > we pours back then and they are still in the same nice condition  that
we
> left
> > them in.
> > My grandfather always did the finishing he would  start at one corner
with
> a
> > pad to kneel on and a large finishing tool and a bag  of pure cement. He
> would
> > work the concrete to bring the water to the top then  add the pure
> concrete
> > and then trowel it in to give a very fine smooth surface,  you could
skate
> > barefoot on these big pads when he was though with them. Now we  tend to
> not have
> > them quite so slick as a lot people were hurt slipping on  them.  We
never
> > used any rebar or netting and they never cracked that shows  what a good
> job they
> > were when we poured them.
> > I remember one time when  Uncle Bob went out put his hand on the side of
> the
> > cement load and then told the  driver to take it back. He had showed up
> late
> > and the truck load was hot to the  touch, uncle Bob said he wasn't
paying
> for
> > hot concrete as would never setup  properly. I bet if you did that today
> they
> > would scream all over the  place.
> >
> >
> > Walt Davies
> > Cooper Hollow  Farm
> > Monmouth, OR 97361
> > 503 623-0460
> >
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