[AT] Sealing a tire to a rim

[charlie hill]

Thanks Farmer good advice.  Where have you been?  Haven't heard from you in
a while.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robinson" <robinson at svs.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Sealing a tire to a rim


> charlie hill wrote:
> > Hi Cecil,  I don't really view tubes as a solution.  I keep a plug kit
in my
> > truck all the time.  If I have a flat from a nail along the road I can
fix
> > it quickly and all I need is some air.  If I put a tube in it and depend
on
> > the tube to seal the tire then when I get the inevitable flat I've got
to
> > find a tire shop.  With all due respect to James and George the idea of
> > fixing the problem with a tube is to me like fixing a drafty window
frame by
> > installing a storm window.  Not a bad solution but I'd rather fix the
> > window.
> >
> > In my case the tire is not the problem.  I know that.  I bought these
tires
> > new and they are very high quality tires.  The problem is roughness in
the
> > rim bead.  The solution to me is either to repair the bead, replace the
rim
> > or to use a sealant to seal the rim.  Much like you would use a sealant
to
> > seal the leaking window.  That is why I ask the opinion of the list.  I
> > wouldn't try to seal a leaky window with bubble gum but I sure would use
> > some new glazing compound or some weather strip.  In the case of the rim
I
> > didn't know what to use.  We seem to be narrowing down on that now.
> >
> > Breaking this tire down just doesn't make sense to me considering the
time
> > and expense involved in it.  I can stay ahead of this leak with the air
> > compressor that is about 20 feet from where the trailer is parked.  If
and
> > when I need to replace the tire I will just put another rim on it.  They
> > sell them at the junk yard for less than the price of a tube.
> >
> > Just an explaination of my thinking.  Your  results may vary.
> >
> > Charlie
>
>
>
>
>
> Pretty much my sentiments exactly Charlie... I have waaaay
> too many tires on the ground to be buying tubes for them. I
> don't even like tube tires. I do on occasion stick a tube in
> for special cases like a good tire with a very badly damaged
> bead or on some small tires where they need to run at low
> pressures (usually lawnmower). Otherwise I go the other way.
> I keep a reamer in a bit brace by the tire changer and when
> I can I convert my old implement wheels to tubeless.
> I don't really like the slimes and such, I may use one as a
> last resort but if I put sealer in a tire that pretty much
> screws it for fixing a nail hole with a plug because of the
> slime getting in the hole. The goo keeps the rubber cement
> from bonding. Some of them will rust a rim badly. Of course
> I don't like most plugs either. I am in love with the "Tech
> Permacure" plug strips. I have "NEVER" had one fail. They
> are wrapped with vulcanizing rubber and when inserted with
> vulcanizing cement will melt a bit and really seal well.
> They are the only plug I have found that will hold forever
> in steel belts.
> For bead leaks... first I avoid them by "NEVER" dry
> mounting a tire. I prefer Murphy's Oil Soap in water
> (vegetable oil based) When I do have a bead leaker most of
> the time all that is needed is to pull the tire and remount
> it with plenty of lube. In extreme cases I have used a
> little rubber cement. Generally if a bead has a damaged spot
> you can fix it by cleaning it down and applying a piece of
> vulcanizing rubber with rubber cement then put a coat of
> rubber cement on the surface before inflating. The
> vulcanizing rubber will crush to conform to the rim. Lately
> we have been keeping a big squeeze bottle of a white latex
> sealer like you would put inside of a tire. On really rough
> rims or a tire that has previously leaked at the bead, clean
> the bead and wire brush the rim (a good wire brush is a
> standard fixture at the changer). We then squeeze out a
> smooth bead of the latex onto the face of the bead all the
> way around before inflating. Seems to be working 100% so far.
> On more critical tires I prefer to repair nail holes with
> the tire off. I like a Permacure insert installed and cut
> off flush inside of the tire and then a regular patch
> installed inside of the tire (the spot already buffed). The
> inside seals the inner liner and the Permacure seals the
> water out of the hole. One of the several reasons I don't
> like most plugs is that you can sometimes get a good seal in
> the body of the tire but the inner liner is still leaking.
> That can cause a ply separation to occur when the air gets
> between them but can't leak on out. Such leakage is the
> reason that if you buy a recap tire today it has a whole
> series of pre-punched tiny holes in the outer rubber as part
> of the recap process. Look closely at one some time.
> For larger punctures I like the toadstool repairs where the
> plug and patch are all in one piece and pulled through from
> the inside after proper preparation.
> I always lube tubeless stems too and if the hole is rough
> or the old one was leaking but looked good I grab the tube
> of hi-temp black silicone and put it around the base of the
> stem before installing. The silicone serves as the lube in
> that case.
> I deal with tires based on their use. Highway speeds call
> for a lot more attention than some old rag for a pull type
> plow.   :-)
>
> BTW I only paid $200 for my first pneumatic tire changer,
> an Amco. I kept is as a back-up in the tire shop until we
> closed it. I paid $800 some years ago as a rebuilt for my
> Coates 40/40 changer and kept it when we closed the tire
> shop. I have seen decent changers selling for about $200 to
> $400 and if you have a lot of tires one can be a real
> blessing. A decent manual changer can be bought new for much
> less and they work fine. If you will remember tire shops and
> filling stations all used manual changers years ago.
>
>
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>
> "farmer"
>
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>
> Francis Robinson
> Central Indiana USA
> robinson at svs.net
>
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