[AT] tractor engine

Tom tmartin at xtra.co.nz
Fri Apr 23 19:53:02 PDT 2004


charlie hill wrote:
> 
> Tom you are the one that is into "pissing contests" as you said.
> I was trying to be polite but you won't allow that.  My orriginal post said,
> if you bother to read it, that the Allis engine was similar in size not in
> rated hp.  You implied that Fiat built the big Allis engines.  I'm sure Fiat
> did build some big engines but not the engines I am talking about.  They
> were all built in the US if Wendel is correct.  Fiat's association with AC
> was short  lived.  There might have been a connection in the 70's and 80's
> when the last engines were built.  I don't know for sure but your
> implication is that AC never built any large engines and that is NOT true.
> 
> As for me selling AC short.  I didn't intend to quote the complete book.  I
> was just giving enough information to make my point and I have done that.
> Frankly you can kiss my red neck North Carolina ass and I will just set your
> post to go directly to the trash folder like I had them in my old computer.
> Now go take your medicine.
> 
> Charlie Hill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom" <tmartin at xtra.co.nz>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] tractor engine
> 
> > charlie hill wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually Tom tractors was a sideline for AC.  They built  everything
> from
> > > flour mills to steam turbines.   Their first big engine in 1904.  It was
> a
> > > 1000 hp Nurnberg Gas engine design.  In 1929 they built some 10,000 hp
> > > engines for Illinois Steel Co.  The engines weighed 2000 tons each.  In
> 1980
> > > they built three 43,200 hp engines for Sulzer Bros. Ltd.  Those were the
> > > last as AC went out of business in '84.   They also built the 100,000 hp
> > > hydro turbines used at Niagra Falls.
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom" <tmartin at xtra.co.nz>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:59 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] tractor engine
> > >
> > > > charlie hill wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To heck with the engine and the tool box.  I want to see the machine
> > > shop
> > > > > they turned the bearing surfaces in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually Allis Chalmers built some engines about that size in the
> early
> > > > > 70's.  They didn't have as much rated HP but the actual engine size
> was
> > > > > similar.   I still wonder how they turn the bearing journals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlie
> > > >
> > > > I didn't think Allis was into large marine engines, Fiat was.
> > > > Perhaps that was the connection?
> > > >
> > > > As for machining the cranks, the cranks are of built up
> construction,the
> > > throws
> > > > being machined before the main bearing
> > > > journals are shrunk in and the crank assembled. After assembly
> > > > the mains are then remachined.
> > > >
> > > > I've posted some pics of a throw, one being machined, and a crank
> > > > shaft lathe that is capable of machining the crank of the big Sulzer.
> > > Capacity
> > > > 300 tons:
> > > >
> > > > http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/crnkthrow.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> >
> >
> > Actually Charlie, you source of Allis "facts" sells them
> > short as the scope of equipment manufactured was far in
> > excess of what you put up as well as the size & power of
> > what they produced..
> >
> > Three? 43,200hp, hmmm hardly in the same class or size as the
> > engine under discussion? Of course, that Allis' partner at
> > the time, was an established builder of such engines dating
> > back 50 odd years had nothing to do with it? How silly of
> > me.
> >
> > Then again, I didn't realise you were into pissing contests either..
> >
> > Tom

Polite? You patronising git! Reread what I said! 

I implied nothing, Allis & Fiat were involved in joint ventures,
the building of Sulzer engines more likely came as a result of
Fiat's involvement in building large "marine" engines.

As for Allis building "large" gas engines, they built 81 gas
engines for steel mills and the like, the first and last 
going to the Illinois Steel Co. 
34 went to the Indiana Steel Co., in Gary Indiana.

However in your original post you asked a question which I 
posted some pix in explanation. But you in your haste to 
"straighten" me out, forbore to comment on, how polite!

As for your self assessment, why re-state the obvious?

Tom



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