[AT] Names that have become generic

charlie hill chill8 at cox.net
Mon Apr 12 14:48:06 PDT 2004


I figured it had to be some sort of analog computer.  For some reason some
of my mail is getting delayed and I just got your reply.

It is hard to remember now that only 30 years ago almost everything was
mechanical and electrical and almost nothing was electronic.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grant Brians" <gbrians at hollinet.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic


> Charlie, I had a little bit of an advantage in that my dad had started
> working with computers in the mid 50's and in 1962 he was a physics
teacher
> at a high school in the Los Angeles area. The computer I "played" with was
> the first computer at a high school in Southern California and it was a
> Bendix G-15 (yes, that Bendix!) donated by Control Data Corp after my dad
> talked them into doing so. They had purchased the computers operation that
> Bendix had had in the 50's in 1961 so this was a used unit. As I remember
it
> was about the size of  two standard desks stacked on top of each other.
Yes,
> the primary means of data and program input was paper tape and punch
cards.
>     But as I remember there was an operator's console with a teletype
> keyboard! I actually input programs and did other things that I don't now
> remember.... So, yes you are right this was VERY unusual to have a three
> year old around a computer of any kind.
>         Grant
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 9:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
>
>
> > What sort of computers were you boys using in '62?  There weren't any
hand
> > held calculators unitl about 68 and they were hundreds of dollars each
to
> *
> > / + - and hold one constant.   The computer science guys I went to
college
> > with in the late 60's were using Univac machines.   They spent most of
> their
> > time punching holes in cards and the pile of cards for a simple program
> was
> > bigger than a small desktop computer of today.
> >
> > I just didn't know they let 3 year olds play with those things Grant.
> >
> > Were we THAT backwards here in NC?   I don't think so.
> >
> > Charlie
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Grant Brians" <gbrians at hollinet.com>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
> >
> >
> > > Ok, so you and Dean started out in Computers in 1961. I was born in
1959
> > and
> > > have been using computers since 1962.... Hmm. Oh and I work with them
> for
> > a
> > > living in addition to using them for Antique Tractor list reading. I
> think
> > > driving tractor (non-computerized) is what I will do again tomorrow
just
> > > like this evening....
> > >      By the way to get back to antique farm machinery, tomorrow I will
> be
> > > planting with a 1955 Oliver Super77 Diesel and a 1930 something Iron
> Wheel
> > > John Deere Van Brunt drill.
> > >     Yesterday I was refurbishing 1949 aluminum sprinkler irrigation
pipe
> > > originally assembled in San Jose and Milpitas, California that will
now
> be
> > > used for another 50 years probably. Next week I plan to chop the old
> buoy
> > in
> > > half with the torch and turn it into two planters for my mom. I guess
> that
> > > just goes to show that many of us on this list like to recycle and
reuse
> > and
> > > have liked to do that long before it became politically correct. Of
> course
> > > there are a lot of people these days who do not get the value of
> recycling
> > > and reusing, but we do!
> > >               Grant Brians
> > >               Hollister California
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Kiser, Rick" <rkiser at islandhospital.org>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:42 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sounds like you started in computers back when I did, 1961. Those
were
> > > > the days when everything that resembled a computer was a Univac.
> > > >
> > > > RickinNW-WA
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dean VP [mailto:deanvp at att.net]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:06 PM
> > > > To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> > > > Subject: RE: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > > >
> > > > Dudley:
> > > >
> > > > I spent a part of my career designing analog computers because they
> > > > could
> > > > solve certain problems faster than the digital computers then
> available.
> > > > But
> > > > it didn't take long for me to convert from analog computers to
digital
> > > > computers. Some parts of our lexicon just have to be left behind.
:-)
> > > >
> > > > I doubt anyone would even know what an analog computer is today! I
> still
> > > > like analog watches and speedometers. The world is really analog.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > > > Snohomish, WA 98290
> > > >
> > > > CRS = Having a Photographic Memory but a shortage of unused film.
> > > >
> > > > www.deerelegacy.com
> > > >
> > > > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dudley
> Rupert
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:29 PM
> > > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > Subject: RE: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > > >
> > > > Cycles will always be cycles per second (cps) rather than hertz
> > > > (I am in a nit picky mood)
> > > >
> > > > Dudley
> > > > Snohomish, Washington
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Howard R.
> > > > Weeks
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:26 PM
> > > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To me, they will always be condensers rather than capacitors.
> > > > They were condensers in all the old reference books 20s - 50s.
> > > >
> > > > Cycles will always be cycles rather than hertz.
> > > >
> > > > Howard Weeks
> > > > Harlem, GA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: Larry D. Goss <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > > > To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:26 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The problem is some of you guys are just too danged young.  You
think
> > > > that because you learned a particular name for a device when you
were
> in
> > > > school it must have always been named that.  My dad referred to
"those
> > > > things" as condensers when he was discussing electronics with me
back
> in
> > > > the late 40's.  He finally learned to call them capacitors when it
> > > > became politically correct to do so.  That was sometime after he
> started
> > > > working with transistors in the late 50's.  BTW- Dad never did learn
> to
> > > > refer to AIEE instead of IEEE.  He called it the "eye triple-E"
until
> > > > the day he died.  In the mid-50's we called those things condensers
> when
> > > >
> > > >
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